Can Ron Paul Beat Barack Obama?
GOP influentials sound off in the latest Patch-Huffington Post Power Outsiders poll.
Ron Paul has little to no chance of beating President Barack Obama, according to a poll of Republican influentials in New Hampshire and three other early-voting states.
Nearly four out of five of the 190 people responding to the latest Patch-Huffington Post Power Outsiders poll of Republican voters in New Hampshire, Iowa, South Carolina and Florida said the Texas Congressman has almost no shot at winning the GOP nomination, let alone defeating Obama in the general election. Less than one-third described Paul in positive terms. Among the words used were "extreme," "crazy," "unelectable" and "nut."
Only 28 percent used positive words to describe Paul, including "consistent," "focused," "honest" and "smart." That's the lowest percentage for any candidate or prospective candidate tested so far.
Electability is by far their biggest concern about Paul. Just 21 percent describe him as someone who can beat Obama in the general election, while 78 percent have doubts. That score ranks him at the bottom of the candidates tested so far, below even Michele Bachmann (29 percent described her as able to beat Obama) and Sarah Palin (37 percent).
The Power Outsiders view Paul as an even less viable candidate for the Republican nomination, with just 14 percent seeing him as someone who "can win" the nomination.
One Republican influential from New Hampshire said Paul is “an embarrassment to the Party.” Another called him “the Barry Goldwater of our generation,” and “extreme to the point of being impractical.”
Several respondents said Paul’s foreign policy stances are downright dangerous.
“Ron Paul is an isolationist who borders on being thoroughly naive," said one. "While he is very well-versed in the Constitution, his policies are dangerous to America and the world."
“Great on monetary policy, but dangerously wrong on foreign policy,” said another.
But others called him the most honest of all the GOP candidates.
"Ron Paul, a man with uncompromisable principles who has proven himself honest, respectful and effective, is personally responsible for reawakening the American Spirit… (he) is the only candidate running for president who will truly restore this nation to its former glory, inspiring other nations to follow our example."
Each week, our local Patch editors will be asking influential New Hampshire Republicans questions about the presidential campaign, and we'll report the results here.
We’re still looking to expand our list of influential members of both parties in New Hampshire. If you’d like to participate, email marc.fortier@patch.com and we’ll connect you with the appropriate Patch editor.
Brian Watkins
10:18 am on Wednesday, October 26, 2011
What a joke. Asking people to submit themselves as one of your "influential" Republicans shows just how ridiculous this "poll" of yours was. But, it's not like this website has a reputation for intellectual honesty, so it makes sense. Good riddance patch. This was was my first, and certainly my last, visit to this site. On to sites that report real news, not some made up garbage you created by labeling anyone you see fit as "influential".
Jaayy
8:18 pm on Wednesday, October 26, 2011
I went to an authentic Mexican restaurant this evening; nearly 80% of the people working and eating there were Mexican immigrants, and all of the food listed on the menu was Mexican food. Clearly, Chinese cuisine is falling out of favor with U.S. restaurant goers.
Is Chinese food really falling out of favor, or should I have included others beyond Mexican restaurant patrons in my survey sample?
Carol Robidoux
10:35 am on Wednesday, October 26, 2011
Brian, the majority of "influentials" are GOP state representatives, aldermen, business leaders and community activists who were approached for participation due to their politically active status in their respective towns. The group includes supporters of various candidates across the board, including Ron Paul. That said, an unscientific poll is just that; it's mostly just one way of reflecting the current trends in thinking. I'd urge you to take a closer look across all of NH Patch sites, check out the news feeds and community event notices, and get back to me on what you mean, exactly, by a lack of "intellectual honesty." We are always looking for ways to improve our sites and engage our readers, and welcome your comments and contributions.
windwardtack
12:30 pm on Wednesday, October 26, 2011
Seems to me it is media's fault people think Ron Paul can't beat Obama, well, media and GOP insider party hacks who pretend Ron Paul isn't electable because he isn't THEIR prefered candidate. (As a reality check, you should check polls on what the general public thinks of party insiders.) Generally Ron Paul polls better against Obama than any GOP except Romney, and on occassion Ron Paul has beaten Romney on that score as well. The recent Harris poll, for example, showed Ron Paul beating Obama. http://www.carolinapoliticsonline.com/2011/09/28/ron-paul-leads-obama-in-new-harris-poll/
The fact is, Ron Paul dominates with independents.
Recently, Ron Paul was put at the top of the Iowa Power Rankings, as well.
So, why does media run stories like this, instead?
jason
11:32 am on Wednesday, October 26, 2011
What I want to know is how Repulicans, influential or not, have any idea if Paul could beat Obama? Shouldn't you be asking influential Democrats that question?
Carol Robidoux
11:37 am on Wednesday, October 26, 2011
In reality, nobody knows, Jason. It's all part of the fun of election cycle speculation and opinion sharing, and maybe a bit of a conversation starter. We are hearing during debates that the question for Republicans is which candidate can beat Obama, which seems to be the uniform goal among all the contenders, policies aside. How would you answer the question?
Clay
11:42 am on Wednesday, October 26, 2011
Ron Paul is the only candidate that could beat Obama. Paul's the one that could honestly call out the president's hypocrisy on foreign policy and civil liberties. Every other candidate is pretty much Obama anyway. I guess I just have to face the facts that most voters would rather vote in a hypocritical liar than someone who is sincere about fixing our problems.
Edward Lee
12:43 pm on Wednesday, October 26, 2011
General election polls of the Republican candidates vs Obama show that Ron Paul consistently causes Obama to poll the lowest. This is because Indepdenents and some Democrats will vote for Ron Paul over Obama. Combine that with the Republican votes that want anybody but Obama, Ron Paul has an easy win.
It's also easy to see why Ron Paul gets support from all parties by looking at the top donors to his campaign. The three largest employers are US Air Force, US Army, US Navy; and counting all donations in 2011, Ron Paul gets more money from active military troops than *all* the other candidates (including Obama) combined.
Carol Robidoux
1:09 pm on Wednesday, October 26, 2011
Just did a recreational search of Nashua Patch, and find a slew of Ron Paul stories. http://nashua.patch.com/search?keywords=ron+Paul Maybe the mainstream media has let RP down, but the NH Primary Patch sites have made a commitment to providing comprehensive, balanced coverage of all candidates who campaign here.
Kyle Stucker
2:15 pm on Wednesday, October 26, 2011
Carol,
That's the case with all the sites. We've provided coverage of all the candidates' stops, not just the perceived "frontrunners." I can personally say I am not trying write stories to influence people to chose or discredit certain candidates, but rather to write stories that explain their policies, who they are as individuals and how locals perceive them. I think polls like this, while largely unscientific, help show part of the latter point.
And just for clarity, Ron Paul gets some of the largest — if not largest — support in all the polls I've done. Whether that shows Paul has strong local support or shows that he just has a loyal team of people taking all our polls is up for you to decide. Either way, though, I think that shows he's not being marginalized on Patch.
eve
1:15 pm on Wednesday, October 26, 2011
The GOP is getting scared because Ron Paul is the ONLY Republican other than Mitt Romney who CAN beat Obama!
Rasmussen and Gallup agree: Ron Paul could beat Obama
http://www.redstate.com/tooncesthecat/2011/08/23/rasmussen-and-gallup-agree-ron-paul-could-beat-obama/
Bob in Boston
2:01 pm on Wednesday, October 26, 2011
When I look at comments by supposed "insiders", I am always on the lookout for manufactured sound bites like "naive foreign policy", because it shows that the person saying it hasn't actually researched Ron Paul's position at all and is just parroting the establishment lines. Ron Paul's position mirrors the CIA and the 911 commissions stances (related to "blow back") so anyone who says he's naive or crazy is uninformed or is trying to discredit Dr. Paul.
Ryan
2:58 pm on Wednesday, October 26, 2011
Anyone who looks at the Patch polls know Ron Paul can beat Obama, Superman, Spiderman, and the Incredible Hulk all put together. Put that up as a poll. Ron Paul will win by a landslide.
Carol Robidoux
3:01 pm on Wednesday, October 26, 2011
Ryan Linehan, that's my favorite comment on Patch so far.
Jan Schmidt
3:11 pm on Wednesday, October 26, 2011
Dear Patch,
Just to let you know... there is a small group of fanatics that religiously support Paul. They scan the net for any mention of his name and pounce on anything that might in the least be negative - whether its the truth or not. They are libertarians - extreme libertarians - who pick out one or two of Paul's points as their holy grail and don't bother to look any deeper.
Paul is an old man who thinks we should ask churches to pay for our new kidney, or pay for our colonoscopy with chickens - he thinks corporations will do the right thing for America - when we can see they do the right thing for themselves. He's nutty - lost in the past - a crotchety old man who doesn't like war - but only because it costs him money.
Please keep up the good work, Patch is a great resource, and many of us thoroughly enjoy it all. Thank you.
Daniel Spark Plug Tanure
6:12 pm on Wednesday, October 26, 2011
http://www.google.com.br/search?q=ron+paul+corporatism&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
sqwidman
3:25 pm on Wednesday, October 26, 2011
Actually Ron Paul wants you to keep more of what you earn.
The nuttiest thing imaginable is to continue down the path we are on. Our deficit spending is out of control and our national debt is killing us.
Government has gotten involved in many areas of society and have dramatically increased the costs of healthcare and higher education.
We spend billions killing civilians across the globe, and bailout the wall street banks while leaving the middle class to suffer.
Ron Paul hates war for many good reasons, among them the substantial cost. It is nutty to think we can continue to print money and devalue our currency while our economy goes down the drain. Money tied up in the government is money that isn't in the private sector (the place jobs actually come from).
Sal
3:31 pm on Wednesday, October 26, 2011
Dear Jan
Your comments are a joke. Dr. Paul is an old man, no argument there. He also believes in Peace and prosperity not because it costs money, but because its the right way to treat people. He also believes that we should not have bailouts for corporations. Especially at tax payers expense.
Keep living in your fantasy world
Thank you
Jan Schmidt
3:53 pm on Wednesday, October 26, 2011
He also wants to control woman's bodies, remove the regulations that keep corporations from polluting, doesn't support equal rights, workers right to a safe workplace should go, wants Social Security to go away, would tax the higher income folks a whole lot less, and believes that science class in schools should teach the bible, and on and on...
Here's a surprise Sal - he would turn us into a third world country, where people like you and me would be serfs to the rich - two classes, and the guy you want as Pres could do it.
sqwidman
5:40 pm on Wednesday, October 26, 2011
@ Jan
Ron Paul is in the business of getting the federal government telling you what you can and can't do.
By supporting the federal abortion laws you are opening the issue of nationwide abortion to be legal or illegal. You agree with the law now because you agree with it, but years down the road the politicians could easily make abortion illegal in all 50 states.
This is too much power to be in the hands of the feds. Ron Paul's stance in no way "controls woman's bodies". Quite the opposite.
For peace and personal liberty vote Ron Paul.
Jan Schmidt
3:32 pm on Wednesday, October 26, 2011
@sqwidman - let me paraphrase -
"me-me-me"
"it my money and no one can have any of it"
"government = bad"
did I get that right?
sqwidman
5:35 pm on Wednesday, October 26, 2011
No you don't get it right.
Everyone benefits, not just me or you. If I didn't have to pay federal income tax maybe I can afford that more expensive medication to treat my chronic condition. This would be more money in the private sector, which actually helps the economy.
I find it morally wrong for the government to forcibly take a portion of my earned wages and spend it on launching missiles at people in the middle east.
We seriously need to reduce our national debt as soon as possible. This means we have to cut the sections of the government which hurt our economy. The sooner we reign in the insane amount of deficit spending and cut into our abhorrent national debt, the sooner our economy will recover.
Daniel Spark Plug Tanure
6:21 pm on Wednesday, October 26, 2011
Jan, you have all the right in the world to be charitable and solidaire and work for your community, and it is desirable that you do so, but once you force others to join in even if they don't agree with it, or maybe they have doubts about the effectiveness or honesty of the specific programs they're being asked to fund, all that charity you're doing is canceled out by your tyranny. And if you just sit on your butt and demand that some armed goons make other people do charity with THEIR money which they earned for themselves with no help from you or anybody else, in the government or otherwise, while you get to keep what you earn, then that's just evil.
Quoting Murray Rothbard: "It's very easy to be charitable with other people's money."
Mountain Fighting
3:39 pm on Wednesday, October 26, 2011
dfsg
Byron Hotchkiss
3:50 pm on Wednesday, October 26, 2011
So essentially what you mean is that some members of the Republican party establishment don't like Ron Paul. How is this news? And how is it indicative of national sentiment when most Americans don't favor that establishment that disdains the Good Doctor so?
Sal
4:11 pm on Wednesday, October 26, 2011
If we keep spending the way we do we will be bankrupt and THEN we will be a third world country! He doesnt want to control womens bodies by the way, he wants to leave it up to the states to decide, as he puts it, the federal govermnent should have no say in what people should and shouldnt do. Therefore, you can elect officials at your local government level who feel how you do. As for social security he has said that young adults can opt out. Plus with all the savings from no more wars and no more foriegn aid he would contribute more to the social security fund which Bush bankrupted.
Jan Schmidt
4:21 pm on Wednesday, October 26, 2011
Please see: H.R.2597 and H.R.392 -
Spending has never been the problem until bush put it all on a credit card, instead of in the budget.
SS is not bankrupt...
See, how can you defend him with falsehoods? If you're going to support him, at least acknowlege his bad parts as well as his good parts.
Sal
4:31 pm on Wednesday, October 26, 2011
The debt is 14 trillion dollars. Not a single candidate has a way to cut that down, the answer is to just spend more. That goes for both Dems and Republicans.
Clinton had 2.2 tillion set aside for Social Security, Bush emptied it in his first year.
Both sides are equally as bad. I agree with you on social issues, but explain to me who is going to lower our debt without taxing us to death?
Jan Schmidt
4:52 pm on Wednesday, October 26, 2011
The answer is full employment, and the right is doing everything they can to stop it from happening.
Allyn Beaver
4:32 pm on Wednesday, October 26, 2011
Wilson put it on a credit card, thats what the central bank is, they loan us money we have to pay it back.
sqwidman
5:45 pm on Wednesday, October 26, 2011
Attention all Obama lovers.
The government can't create jobs.
Daniel Spark Plug Tanure
6:32 pm on Wednesday, October 26, 2011
Ron Paul is the guy going around telling everybody that the sun doesn't move around the Earth, while they go "Look up, MORON! What do you see??? The sun MOVING AROUND THE EARTH!" And then, exhasperated, he explains for the millionth time how it works, and the guy goes again "But the sun keeps moving around the Earth, no matter what you say, so go screw."
John Wyatt
12:35 am on Sunday, December 4, 2011
Excellent analogy!
ForThePeople
6:59 pm on Wednesday, October 26, 2011
The best way to let this extremist fade away to obscurity is to ignore him and all articles attempting to stoke the fire. But I guess that ship has come and gone...
http://news.yahoo.com/ron-paul-spent-1-million-charter-flights-100238492.html
Ron Paul leads the Republican field for spending on private flights.
http://www.mysanantonio.com/opinion/columnists/article/Ron-Paul-favors-legalizing-heroin-1374192.php
Ron Paul says legalize heroin! Although, his website is largely mum on the topic. Curious that a guy everyone says is honest has very little to say about his youthful hippie supporters favorite benefit- legalizing drugs. http://www.ronpaul.com/on-the-issues/war-on-drugs/
My favorite Ron Paul moment was when Jon Stewart skewered him on the daily show about "the free market." The fact of the matter is, we already had less regulations and a free market in the 1800s. It was abused during the Industrial Revolution. Because of the desire for profit, unsafe products such as medicine, food, monopolies on things like railroads, oil, we have regulations. They didn't just appear out of nowhere.
The answer cannot be throwing more money at rich people because "they create jobs." It's preposterous to say the rich need more money to create jobs. As we saw during the bailout, if you give them more money, they will pocket it. Don't believe me?
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/amid-unemployment-inequality-american-dream-risk-200141836.html
Daniel Spark Plug Tanure
7:18 pm on Wednesday, October 26, 2011
I'll tell you what I told ABC: If Ron Paul had every journalist in the country gobbling his balls until they go full circle and aren't wrinkly anymore, he wouldn't need to fly around so much to campaign personally.
Why do you think heroin should be illegal again? Do you own other people's bodies? Are you their dad? Do you think the illusion you have of living in a world without drug addicts is worth sending them to skid row and to prison to ruin their lives even more? Get back to me on that.
I guess you are talking about the British industrial revolution, because in America it didn't have nearly as much social impact as in England, which should already tell you all you need know, and while it's true that European people suffered on those factories, they were suffering A LOT MORE on the countryside. In America, the free-market was responsible for ending a MAJOR depression in no more than a year, reason why you don't hear much about the crash of '21, and reason why you think FDR ended the one in '29, when all he did was delay it and it just ended because it was going to end sometime.
Paul voted AGAINST the bailout.
Let me rephrase that:
Paul voted AGAINST the bailout.
Not only did he vote AGAINST it, he also fiercely condemns it to this day. He doesn't want to give rich people money, he wants to END the institution that does so (The Fed)
Paul is the exact OPPOSITE of anyone who believes in trickle-down economics, including Obama.
ForThePeople
7:38 pm on Wednesday, October 26, 2011
You can't pick and choose. If you're going to allow people to vote, which is tantamount to telling other people what to do, you better believe that it's no worse to object to the introduction of drugs in my community. Either way, you are ordering someone else around. I know that Ron Paul supporters are a bunch of wannabe rebel hippies, but as long as you participate in this Democratic process, you are affecting other people- including their bodies. So let's just get that fallacy out of the way.
I think it's awfully telling that you ignored the Industrial Revolution, and I guess that makes a lot of sense because your candidate ignores it also. You cannot pick and choose your success stories. The fact of the matter is, the way wealth works in our country is that worker bees generate more money than they are paid for their bosses. It's a giant pyramid scheme. This is undeniable-look at any chart of the class system. On the top is the 1%- that tiny little speck at the top. As you move down the pyramid, it gets fatter and fatter. Pyramid scheme. Your candidate wants to open the floodgates for the people at the top to operate unimpeded- to gather as many worker bees for whatever price they feel they are willing to pay for their services- without fear of regulation. Your candidate wants to abolish the minimum wage!
No, all you have here is some candidate appealing to the slackers by giving them legalized drugs and appealing to the rich by making white-collar shenanigans legal.
Daniel Spark Plug Tanure
7:58 pm on Wednesday, October 26, 2011
@forhepeople What you're talking about is corporatism, and I don't know how could you not read the entire paragraph I wrote regarding the Industrial Revolution.
Your argument about heroin is hilariously contrived, by the way. Voting and heroin? That's new. Guess what, people can choose not to vote, so they should also be able to choose to do heroin, they should be able to choose not to pay for government healthcare, they should be able to choose not to pay for any social programs. And you're talking about "your community" like you own it. It's the junkie's community too, you know? Maybe HE resents YOU introducing all that healthy lifestyle in HIS community.
Anyway, what you're talking about in the second paragraph is corporatism, which is what we have today, brought by the 100 years of government "regulation" you love so much. Of course, they call it "regulation" only so you will support it, because, in reality, they should be calling it "securing monopoly for my buddies". But since the name is pretty everyone just assumes it's good.
If I was king of the world and I was going to introduce a law to kill everyone who has too much acne, I wouldn't call it "The acne genocide act", I would call it something like "save the babies and flowers act", and I pretty much guarantee everyone would support it and believe I was saving babies and flowers, seeing as how people are so gullible to believe the government when they talk about "regulation".
ForThePeople
8:12 pm on Wednesday, October 26, 2011
I guess you don't realize the Industrial Revolution was in the 18th and 19th century. That paragraph you wrote is about the 20th century. Fail.
Yes, the very act of voting is electing someone who will tell other people what to do. There's no getting around that, and you are at the height of hypocrisy to claim otherwise. I can tell you are shielding yourself from logic, you don't want to see it for what it is. That's voting. Voting is electing someone to rule over other people. That includes drug policy, tax policy, foreign-policy, and many other things. And as I recall, your candidate used to be in favor of "don't ask, don't tell." For someone who claims to be so righteous about not ordering people around, that's fairly telling.
"And you're talking about "your community" like you own it. It's the junkie's community too, you know? Maybe HE resents YOU introducing all that healthy lifestyle in HIS community."
Yeah, this is right about the time when everyone realizes Ron Paul and his hippie fan club are out of their minds. Have a nice time with your joke candidate. I hope he wins the primary so we get Obama for four more years. Best of luck.
Daniel Spark Plug Tanure
8:40 pm on Wednesday, October 26, 2011
I guess you don't realize that I clearly pointed out that this terrible "industrial revolution" you speak of happened mostly only in Britain and Europe, the US had industrialization but no great social impact as it happened elsewhere. So I guess it's not the free market's fault, is it? And I also very clearly pointed out that, as bad as the conditions were for factory workers in Britain, they were mostly moving to the city from the countryside, and their lives were much WORSE on the countryside.
So I guess the logical conclusion to this vote thing is that you should vote for the guy who will control your life the most? Go to North Korea, then. They'll tell you even what positions you are allowed to use during sex, and what haircuts are acceptable for anyone who doesn't want to spend a summer at death camp. And you get to vote sometimes, for the same candidate, always.
You know, it's kind of heartbreaking that people talk all kinds of BS about Ron Paul without knowing anything about him. They have a word for this. It's called "being boneheaded". Which is two words, but whatever.
Anyway: http://instinctmagazine.com/blogs/blog/ron-paul-says-he-s-more-worried-about-straights-in-the-military?directory=100011
Won't click the link? Title says "RON PAUL SAYS HE'S MORE WORRIED ABOUT STRAIGHTS IN THE MILITARY". That's a gay magazine, by the way.
ForThePeople
9:24 pm on Wednesday, October 26, 2011
I daresay I know more about him than you do. I just am able to think critically, while you are a Stepford voter.
Ron Paul flip-flops on homosexuality:
http://www.ronpaul.com/2010-05-28/ron-paul-why-i-changed-my-mind-on-dont-ask-dont-tell/
While his position is better now, I don't believe he suddenly changed his opinions about gay people for anything other than politics. I'm surprised you did not notice the pandering, and you refuse to censure him for his prejudice.
Next item. Oh look, I guess you agree with telling other people what to do by exercising your right to vote. You gave up on your drug argument fairly quickly. As you now realize, your logic holds no water and is easily taken apart. Critical thinking requires practice. It's more than just reciting talking points.
Unfortunately, you revert to the conservative fallback of, "if you don't like it, go to North Korea" followed by a flimsy attempt at sexual shock value. Judging by my liberal, progressive stance on love and relationships, this falls flat. Part of democracy is being able to disagree. Telling everyone to go to North Korea, it's just not very intelligent and ignores what we're trying to do here in America. Your attitude is more North Korean than mine, in fact.
The Industrial Revolution had a ton of free market problems! Ever read "The Grapes of Wrath?" What do you think factory conditions are like for workers in the 19th century?
Keep trying.
Daniel Spark Plug Tanure
9:20 am on Thursday, October 27, 2011
WHAT??? MY logic holds no water??? Are you so enamored with yourself that you really believe that??? You truly, honestly believe that the MORONIC comparison you made with voting took it apart??? I mean, seriously, not to offend you, dude, but that was just stupid. I can think of a thousand better arguments you could have used in favor of drug prohibition.
You DO realize Grapes of Wrath is a work of fiction written by a rich socialist from a rich socialist perspective, don't you? Like, it's made up, it's fantasy, the guy didn't live through the dust bowl, he just guessed how it was. And YOU DO realize that it's set in the 30's right? Long AFTER the free market was wiped out from the country by the federal reserve.
As for the other stuff, it seems you're more concerned with my style of writting and trying to prove that the way I write gives up my complete desperation at your towering, infallible arguments. I'm sure you imagine me backing off from the computer going "BY GOD! How can I counter THAT? I've never seen such a sharp elocubration!", but I'm not. If you had truly given me something that miraculously made me question my belief in the free market, I would have told you something to the tune of "Well, I don't know how to answer that" or at the very least "I'm going to look it up", because I value more the learning than saving face.
Daniel Spark Plug Tanure
9:29 am on Thursday, October 27, 2011
And look, dude, you can believe what you want. If you don't want to take my word that it's a completely failed system, okay, I'm not your dad either, but here's the thing: You can't FORCE other people into it. That's simply EVIL. Making people buy your government model with the money they earned for themselves with no help from YOU or anyone else for that matter through taxes.
You want "free" healthcare? Then pay for it yourself. Don't try to do charity with other people's money, because that's not charity, that's theft.
You don't want to do drugs? Don't do drugs. Let other people OWN their lives just like you OWN yours.
And your vote thing? I don't vote for people to tell me what to do. I vote for politicians that will PREVENT other politicians from telling me what to do with my life. I want a society WITHOUT government, but since that's not a realistic expectation, if the government is really inevitable, then its role should be only to protect my property, life and liberty. That's not telling me what to do, that's WORKING for MY interests and OTHER PEOPLE'S interests.
ForThePeople
5:08 pm on Thursday, October 27, 2011
I don't think you want to get into a literature debate. Your candidate is a Jesus believer, a story based on a book that is cobbled together over a few centuries. If you are going to knock the "grapes of wrath", I don't think Ron Paul's dogma is going to survive any more than a few minutes of conversation. But if you are willing to accept that literature can describe a way of life, including industrialization, your mind might be enlightened, if only a little bit. The sad fact of industrialization and what it has done to the workforce is fact, not fiction, and that is a product of the free-market era. You want to see free-market problems? Let's look at Rockefeller. Let's look at the railroad system. This is all pre-regulation era. Left to their own devices, corporations failed their country.
Finally, you can hide from the clear dismantling of your "freedom to do what I want" logic, but this is on you. It's your willingness to ignore the fact that society comes together by giving up a little bit of their liberty for the benefit of the whole. That includes roads, school systems, your local hospital emergency room, and more. Your candidate is participating in that system. By voting, you are participating in that system. You cannot participate in a system and then say you're not part of it. You are sadly mistaken if you think a man that is participating in the process is not part of that very same process. If your candidate chooses to participate, responsibility is paramount.
Jaayy
8:15 pm on Wednesday, October 26, 2011
Any Ron Paul supporter who has seen GOP insiders marginalize Paul’s successes, attempt to bar his supporters from GOP events, or “scatter” ballots in Iowa and in other party straw polls, could have offered you the same conclusion.
These self-identified “influentials” are keeping Reagan’s “big tent” as small as possible, despite the fact that no other candidate in the race motivates independents and young people like Paul. No other Republican can capture so large a portion of the voters abandoned by pro-war, economy destroying Obama.
What terrifies these “influentials” is that Paul can do without them. Paul has built a campaign organization, and base of activist supporters that every other campaign marvels at and envies; and Paul can raise funds from actual voters in a magnitude that surprises or shocks rivals. Paul is reaching voters despite negligible media coverage, and this entrenched caste of GOP apparatchiks.
Suggested further research for novice pollsters:
(1) Why didn’t Alfred Landon win the presidency in 1936 in a “landslide” as Literary Digest declared prior to the election? What does this suggest about Patch, and its survey sample?
(2) Given that Herman Cain’s poll numbers derive from older GOP voters, and many people who were until recently (falsely) castigated as “lily white” (or worse) Tea Party members, how with the “Wilder Effect” or “Bradley Effect” influence actual election day ballots for the Cain book tour?
Julian Alien
9:14 pm on Wednesday, October 26, 2011
I am from Florida and I think he could beat him,yesterday,tomorrow,and today.
Katrina Cristoff
6:25 pm on Thursday, October 27, 2011
I hope ANONYMOUS pays this little rag a visit.
Go Ron Paul!!